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	<title>Comments on: How Huffington Post and Obama Killed the New York Times Online</title>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.convinceandconvert.com/digital-media/why-obama-and-blogs-are-killing-the-new-york-times-online/#comment-474</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When a magazine becomes the mouthpiece of an electoral candidate, backlash will occur. People lost faith and trust with the Times. I don&#039;t know anybody subscribed to TNYT. We&#039;ve all  cancelled. If they ever start to report (unbiased) news again, I&#039;ll be back.

Most people are getting their news through the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When a magazine becomes the mouthpiece of an electoral candidate, backlash will occur. People lost faith and trust with the Times. I don&#8217;t know anybody subscribed to TNYT. We&#8217;ve all  cancelled. If they ever start to report (unbiased) news again, I&#8217;ll be back.</p>
<p>Most people are getting their news through the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.convinceandconvert.com/digital-media/why-obama-and-blogs-are-killing-the-new-york-times-online/#comment-44937</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When a magazine becomes the mouthpiece of an electoral candidate, backlash will occur. People lost faith and trust with the Times. I don&#039;t know anybody subscribed to TNYT. We&#039;ve all  cancelled. If they ever start to report (unbiased) news again, I&#039;ll be back.

Most people are getting their news through the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When a magazine becomes the mouthpiece of an electoral candidate, backlash will occur. People lost faith and trust with the Times. I don&#8217;t know anybody subscribed to TNYT. We&#8217;ve all  cancelled. If they ever start to report (unbiased) news again, I&#8217;ll be back.</p>
<p>Most people are getting their news through the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Baer</title>
		<link>http://www.convinceandconvert.com/digital-media/why-obama-and-blogs-are-killing-the-new-york-times-online/#comment-454</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Baer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert -

Good comment. Thank you for taking the time to write it. As I referenced in the original post, this is by no means a Huff Post/Daily Kos vs. NYT scenario. This isn&#039;t politics and I don&#039;t believe it is based in any way on left vs. right. The Politico, RealClearPolitics and All Politics all have similar trend lines to Huff Post (as mentioned). And the Washington Post has a similar trend line to NYT.

I agree with your premise that consumers (in large measure) don&#039;t want truly slanted news. But they do seem to prefer news that supports their own world view, whether that view tilts toward CNN, Fox News, NYT, etc. I believe the real finding here is that consumers are coming to prefer blog-style news that carries with it a component of first-person approachability over the traditional longer form (and arguably less engaging) &quot;professional&quot; journalism. 

Considering that WSJ launched its own social network recently complete with article comments and so forth, I believe the die has been cast in this regard.

Thanks again and all the best,

j</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert -</p>
<p>Good comment. Thank you for taking the time to write it. As I referenced in the original post, this is by no means a Huff Post/Daily Kos vs. NYT scenario. This isn&#8217;t politics and I don&#8217;t believe it is based in any way on left vs. right. The Politico, RealClearPolitics and All Politics all have similar trend lines to Huff Post (as mentioned). And the Washington Post has a similar trend line to NYT.</p>
<p>I agree with your premise that consumers (in large measure) don&#8217;t want truly slanted news. But they do seem to prefer news that supports their own world view, whether that view tilts toward CNN, Fox News, NYT, etc. I believe the real finding here is that consumers are coming to prefer blog-style news that carries with it a component of first-person approachability over the traditional longer form (and arguably less engaging) &#8220;professional&#8221; journalism. </p>
<p>Considering that WSJ launched its own social network recently complete with article comments and so forth, I believe the die has been cast in this regard.</p>
<p>Thanks again and all the best,</p>
<p>j</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Baer</title>
		<link>http://www.convinceandconvert.com/digital-media/why-obama-and-blogs-are-killing-the-new-york-times-online/#comment-44936</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Baer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert -

Good comment. Thank you for taking the time to write it. As I referenced in the original post, this is by no means a Huff Post/Daily Kos vs. NYT scenario. This isn&#039;t politics and I don&#039;t believe it is based in any way on left vs. right. The Politico, RealClearPolitics and All Politics all have similar trend lines to Huff Post (as mentioned). And the Washington Post has a similar trend line to NYT.

I agree with your premise that consumers (in large measure) don&#039;t want truly slanted news. But they do seem to prefer news that supports their own world view, whether that view tilts toward CNN, Fox News, NYT, etc. I believe the real finding here is that consumers are coming to prefer blog-style news that carries with it a component of first-person approachability over the traditional longer form (and arguably less engaging) &quot;professional&quot; journalism. 

Considering that WSJ launched its own social network recently complete with article comments and so forth, I believe the die has been cast in this regard.

Thanks again and all the best,

j</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert -</p>
<p>Good comment. Thank you for taking the time to write it. As I referenced in the original post, this is by no means a Huff Post/Daily Kos vs. NYT scenario. This isn&#8217;t politics and I don&#8217;t believe it is based in any way on left vs. right. The Politico, RealClearPolitics and All Politics all have similar trend lines to Huff Post (as mentioned). And the Washington Post has a similar trend line to NYT.</p>
<p>I agree with your premise that consumers (in large measure) don&#8217;t want truly slanted news. But they do seem to prefer news that supports their own world view, whether that view tilts toward CNN, Fox News, NYT, etc. I believe the real finding here is that consumers are coming to prefer blog-style news that carries with it a component of first-person approachability over the traditional longer form (and arguably less engaging) &#8220;professional&#8221; journalism. </p>
<p>Considering that WSJ launched its own social network recently complete with article comments and so forth, I believe the die has been cast in this regard.</p>
<p>Thanks again and all the best,</p>
<p>j</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Worstell</title>
		<link>http://www.convinceandconvert.com/digital-media/why-obama-and-blogs-are-killing-the-new-york-times-online/#comment-453</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Worstell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A flyover country perspective:

You are comparing NYT (arguably left-leaning) with Huffington Post and Daily Kos (definitely left-leaning). How have any centrist or right-leaning blogs and online venues done through this same period?

It could be argued that these opinionated outlets are more involved in continuing the election process, due the agenda they are pitching and promoting. NYT, being more detached from the process, is reporting a broader range of issues and has *less* of an oar in this water.

However, the conclusion isn&#039;t necessarily true - listeners already get a ton of slant and opinion in their news and don&#039;t particularly like it. They don&#039;t trust the news in general (only Congress and lawyers have lower ratings - even the President is higher than news outlets). 

If you figure that the NYT needs to become another online tabloid site, then perhaps this view contributes to the decline in online readership. 

For myself, I am following the NYT more, now that I can get twitter feeds... I can&#039;t afford the subscription, and it arrives too late to be a &quot;daily&quot; paper out here in the midwest.

But that gives you another option: work on your analysis and (balanced) commentary. This is what magazines are known to excel at. That would definitely be a counter-point to these two comparison sites.

And *perhaps* the rumors of your death are &quot;greatly exaggerated.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A flyover country perspective:</p>
<p>You are comparing NYT (arguably left-leaning) with Huffington Post and Daily Kos (definitely left-leaning). How have any centrist or right-leaning blogs and online venues done through this same period?</p>
<p>It could be argued that these opinionated outlets are more involved in continuing the election process, due the agenda they are pitching and promoting. NYT, being more detached from the process, is reporting a broader range of issues and has *less* of an oar in this water.</p>
<p>However, the conclusion isn&#8217;t necessarily true &#8211; listeners already get a ton of slant and opinion in their news and don&#8217;t particularly like it. They don&#8217;t trust the news in general (only Congress and lawyers have lower ratings &#8211; even the President is higher than news outlets). </p>
<p>If you figure that the NYT needs to become another online tabloid site, then perhaps this view contributes to the decline in online readership. </p>
<p>For myself, I am following the NYT more, now that I can get twitter feeds&#8230; I can&#8217;t afford the subscription, and it arrives too late to be a &#8220;daily&#8221; paper out here in the midwest.</p>
<p>But that gives you another option: work on your analysis and (balanced) commentary. This is what magazines are known to excel at. That would definitely be a counter-point to these two comparison sites.</p>
<p>And *perhaps* the rumors of your death are &#8220;greatly exaggerated.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert_Worstell</title>
		<link>http://www.convinceandconvert.com/digital-media/why-obama-and-blogs-are-killing-the-new-york-times-online/#comment-44935</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert_Worstell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A flyover country perspective:

You are comparing NYT (arguably left-leaning) with Huffington Post and Daily Kos (definitely left-leaning). How have any centrist or right-leaning blogs and online venues done through this same period?

It could be argued that these opinionated outlets are more involved in continuing the election process, due the agenda they are pitching and promoting. NYT, being more detached from the process, is reporting a broader range of issues and has *less* of an oar in this water.

However, the conclusion isn&#039;t necessarily true - listeners already get a ton of slant and opinion in their news and don&#039;t particularly like it. They don&#039;t trust the news in general (only Congress and lawyers have lower ratings - even the President is higher than news outlets). 

If you figure that the NYT needs to become another online tabloid site, then perhaps this view contributes to the decline in online readership. 

For myself, I am following the NYT more, now that I can get twitter feeds... I can&#039;t afford the subscription, and it arrives too late to be a &quot;daily&quot; paper out here in the midwest.

But that gives you another option: work on your analysis and (balanced) commentary. This is what magazines are known to excel at. That would definitely be a counter-point to these two comparison sites.

And *perhaps* the rumors of your death are &quot;greatly exaggerated.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A flyover country perspective:</p>
<p>You are comparing NYT (arguably left-leaning) with Huffington Post and Daily Kos (definitely left-leaning). How have any centrist or right-leaning blogs and online venues done through this same period?</p>
<p>It could be argued that these opinionated outlets are more involved in continuing the election process, due the agenda they are pitching and promoting. NYT, being more detached from the process, is reporting a broader range of issues and has *less* of an oar in this water.</p>
<p>However, the conclusion isn&#8217;t necessarily true &#8211; listeners already get a ton of slant and opinion in their news and don&#8217;t particularly like it. They don&#8217;t trust the news in general (only Congress and lawyers have lower ratings &#8211; even the President is higher than news outlets). </p>
<p>If you figure that the NYT needs to become another online tabloid site, then perhaps this view contributes to the decline in online readership. </p>
<p>For myself, I am following the NYT more, now that I can get twitter feeds&#8230; I can&#8217;t afford the subscription, and it arrives too late to be a &#8220;daily&#8221; paper out here in the midwest.</p>
<p>But that gives you another option: work on your analysis and (balanced) commentary. This is what magazines are known to excel at. That would definitely be a counter-point to these two comparison sites.</p>
<p>And *perhaps* the rumors of your death are &#8220;greatly exaggerated.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Taszarek, Taz</title>
		<link>http://www.convinceandconvert.com/digital-media/why-obama-and-blogs-are-killing-the-new-york-times-online/#comment-130</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Taszarek, Taz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re NYT &amp; Obama
Bingo. You hit it on the head. I worked in News/Talk Radio for years.  Elections were our equivalent of Santa Claus. (Also Impeachments, Desert Storm etc.)  There was Good/Bad News. We lived on Arbitron Ratings which were/are gathered by quarter then released the following quarter. So when the ratings from the Q4 election period appeared in the Q1 following an election - 90-Day Ad Sales Bonanza. 

Problem; all the heavy listeners disappeared immediately following the election and that huge drop showed up Q2. There&#039;s lots of evidence that the same thing will occur in every medium with election-heavy content. So the advice to those being kept afloat by elections - be ready for an equally nasty loss of users-listeners-viewers-readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re NYT &amp; Obama<br />
Bingo. You hit it on the head. I worked in News/Talk Radio for years.  Elections were our equivalent of Santa Claus. (Also Impeachments, Desert Storm etc.)  There was Good/Bad News. We lived on Arbitron Ratings which were/are gathered by quarter then released the following quarter. So when the ratings from the Q4 election period appeared in the Q1 following an election &#8211; 90-Day Ad Sales Bonanza. </p>
<p>Problem; all the heavy listeners disappeared immediately following the election and that huge drop showed up Q2. There&#8217;s lots of evidence that the same thing will occur in every medium with election-heavy content. So the advice to those being kept afloat by elections &#8211; be ready for an equally nasty loss of users-listeners-viewers-readers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Taszarek, Taz</title>
		<link>http://www.convinceandconvert.com/digital-media/why-obama-and-blogs-are-killing-the-new-york-times-online/#comment-44934</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Taszarek, Taz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re NYT &amp; Obama
Bingo. You hit it on the head. I worked in News/Talk Radio for years.  Elections were our equivalent of Santa Claus. (Also Impeachments, Desert Storm etc.)  There was Good/Bad News. We lived on Arbitron Ratings which were/are gathered by quarter then released the following quarter. So when the ratings from the Q4 election period appeared in the Q1 following an election - 90-Day Ad Sales Bonanza. 

Problem; all the heavy listeners disappeared immediately following the election and that huge drop showed up Q2. There&#039;s lots of evidence that the same thing will occur in every medium with election-heavy content. So the advice to those being kept afloat by elections - be ready for an equally nasty loss of users-listeners-viewers-readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re NYT &amp; Obama<br />
Bingo. You hit it on the head. I worked in News/Talk Radio for years.  Elections were our equivalent of Santa Claus. (Also Impeachments, Desert Storm etc.)  There was Good/Bad News. We lived on Arbitron Ratings which were/are gathered by quarter then released the following quarter. So when the ratings from the Q4 election period appeared in the Q1 following an election &#8211; 90-Day Ad Sales Bonanza. </p>
<p>Problem; all the heavy listeners disappeared immediately following the election and that huge drop showed up Q2. There&#8217;s lots of evidence that the same thing will occur in every medium with election-heavy content. So the advice to those being kept afloat by elections &#8211; be ready for an equally nasty loss of users-listeners-viewers-readers.</p>
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