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> <channel><title>Comments on: AdAge Social Media Blindness</title> <atom:link href="http://www.convinceandconvert.com/social-media-marketing/social-media-blindness/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.convinceandconvert.com/social-media-marketing/social-media-blindness/</link> <description>Social Media Strategy Blog Social Media Consulting</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 02:09:05 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Just Being There Isn&#8217;t Enough &#124; Convince &#38; Convert &#171; In Front Of Your Nose: An online PR blog</title><link>http://www.convinceandconvert.com/social-media-marketing/social-media-blindness/comment-page-1/#comment-4023</link> <dc:creator>Just Being There Isn&#8217;t Enough &#124; Convince &#38; Convert &#171; In Front Of Your Nose: An online PR blog</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:48:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.convinceandconvert.com/?p=336#comment-4023</guid> <description>[...] They ignore the 140 character limit completely, clearly copying and pasting from an article. Doing this demonstrates that they don’t care about the way information is exchanged on a specific channel (in this case Twitter). Even worse, it has that old media stench, the “WE will tell YOU what is important and you will read every last word”. Using the full character count with a wasted segment of an introductory line also keeps the piece from being re-tweeted. (see another example of AdAge Social Media Blindness) [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] They ignore the 140 character limit completely, clearly copying and pasting from an article. Doing this demonstrates that they don’t care about the way information is exchanged on a specific channel (in this case Twitter). Even worse, it has that old media stench, the “WE will tell YOU what is important and you will read every last word”. Using the full character count with a wasted segment of an introductory line also keeps the piece from being re-tweeted. (see another example of AdAge Social Media Blindness) [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Just Being There Is Not Enough &#124; Santy Integrated</title><link>http://www.convinceandconvert.com/social-media-marketing/social-media-blindness/comment-page-1/#comment-3730</link> <dc:creator>Just Being There Is Not Enough &#124; Santy Integrated</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:14:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.convinceandconvert.com/?p=336#comment-3730</guid> <description>[...] They ignore the 140 character limit completely, clearly copying and pasting from an article. Doing this demonstrates that they don’t care about the way information is exchanged on a specific channel (in this case Twitter). Even worse, it has that old media stench, the “WE will tell YOU what is important and you will read every last word”. Using the full character count with a wasted segment of an introductory line also keeps the piece from being re-tweeted. (seeanother example of AdAge Social Media Blindness) [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] They ignore the 140 character limit completely, clearly copying and pasting from an article. Doing this demonstrates that they don’t care about the way information is exchanged on a specific channel (in this case Twitter). Even worse, it has that old media stench, the “WE will tell YOU what is important and you will read every last word”. Using the full character count with a wasted segment of an introductory line also keeps the piece from being re-tweeted. (seeanother example of AdAge Social Media Blindness) [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mark Allen Roberts</title><link>http://www.convinceandconvert.com/social-media-marketing/social-media-blindness/comment-page-1/#comment-3720</link> <dc:creator>Mark Allen Roberts</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:08:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.convinceandconvert.com/?p=336#comment-3720</guid> <description>Great post,
A new day has dawned and ad firms and ad age needs to develop a compentancy in reaching buyers the way they chose to be reached today.
If not, they can write additional content about the commoditization of the ad firm services. I wrote about this in my post : 88% of Those Surveyed Said Advertising Services Have Become Commoditized? Ad Firms Heal Thy Self! http://nosmokeandmirrors.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/88-of-those-surveyed-said-advertising-services-have-become-commoditized-ad-firms-heal-thy-self/ .Mark Allen Roberts
.-= Mark Allen Roberts&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://nosmokeandmirrors.wordpress.com/2009/08/02/mentor-moment-8-haste-makes-waste/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mentor Moment #8: “Haste makes Waste”&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post,<br
/> A new day has dawned and ad firms and ad age needs to develop a compentancy in reaching buyers the way they chose to be reached today.<br
/> If not, they can write additional content about the commoditization of the ad firm services. I wrote about this in my post : 88% of Those Surveyed Said Advertising Services Have Become Commoditized? Ad Firms Heal Thy Self! <a
href="http://nosmokeandmirrors.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/88-of-those-surveyed-said-advertising-services-have-become-commoditized-ad-firms-heal-thy-self/" rel="nofollow">http://nosmokeandmirrors.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/88-of-those-surveyed-said-advertising-services-have-become-commoditized-ad-firms-heal-thy-self/</a> .</p><p>Mark Allen Roberts<br
/> .-= Mark Allen Roberts&#180;s last blog ..<a
href="http://nosmokeandmirrors.wordpress.com/2009/08/02/mentor-moment-8-haste-makes-waste/" rel="nofollow">Mentor Moment #8: “Haste makes Waste”</a> =-.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: 27 questions for your email marketing in 2009 &#124; The Marketr</title><link>http://www.convinceandconvert.com/social-media-marketing/social-media-blindness/comment-page-1/#comment-1117</link> <dc:creator>27 questions for your email marketing in 2009 &#124; The Marketr</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 04:02:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.convinceandconvert.com/?p=336#comment-1117</guid> <description>[...] &#8220;The fact is that twice as many people log on to Facebook every month as watch American Idol.&#8221;Jason Baer [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;The fact is that twice as many people log on to Facebook every month as watch American Idol.&#8221;Jason Baer [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ken Wheaton</title><link>http://www.convinceandconvert.com/social-media-marketing/social-media-blindness/comment-page-1/#comment-1104</link> <dc:creator>Ken Wheaton</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:39:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.convinceandconvert.com/?p=336#comment-1104</guid> <description>All this reasonable back and forth is no way to start a Twitter Feud!&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Ken Wheaton’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://adage.com/digitalnext/post.php?article_id=134175&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Saving the World, One Tweetup at a Time&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this reasonable back and forth is no way to start a Twitter Feud!</p><p><abbr><em>Ken Wheaton’s last blog post..<a
href="http://adage.com/digitalnext/post.php?article_id=134175" rel="nofollow">Saving the World, One Tweetup at a Time</a></em></abbr></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jason Baer</title><link>http://www.convinceandconvert.com/social-media-marketing/social-media-blindness/comment-page-1/#comment-1103</link> <dc:creator>Jason Baer</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:34:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.convinceandconvert.com/?p=336#comment-1103</guid> <description>@beatriz @greg @jeff - Thanks for your support and for taking the time to read and comment.@Ken - Sincere thanks for responding. Although we clearly disagree on this one, I really appreciate you leaving a comment.Just a couple of points of clarification.- It did not take me a month to notice the column. I read the blog the minute it was published, as I have all AdAge blogs on an RSS feed. It took me one hour after I read it to write it. I then held the post for 6 weeks to make sure I still felt the same way. I did, so I published it.- I agree that it was satirical to some degree. However, as commenters above and others on Twitter have mentioned, it was not wholly interpreted that way. Probably not the most objective audience i recognize, but clearly if it was entirely satirical it was unsuccessful in that conveyance.- I did not say, nor do I believe, that AdAge does a poor job covering social media or digital marketing. If it did, I would not subscribe to the RSS feeds. I do feel AdAge (and it was not alone by any stretch of the imagination) missed the boat at the dawn of the digital marketing age (I was working as an Internet consultant in 1994, and have been a reader since 1988). My opinion is that AdAge (perhaps rightly) is taking a largely wait and see approach to social media as a discipline (if it can be called that - perhaps not). And while many individual items about social media have made AdAge and continue to, I don&#039;t feel it&#039;s appropriate for you or any other major writer to slam a fast moving, emerging marketing discipline - for laughs or otherwise.- I&#039;m not sure how disclosing that I&#039;ve offered to write blog posts for AdAge is relevant. I never said nobody should read AdAge. I said that in my opinion your column was baseless and childish. But in the interest of disclosure, I&#039;m happy to report that I called and emailed you several times about writing for your AdAge Small Agency blog. You apparently did not and do not have an interest in me doing so, which is fine. I&#039;ve got several other writing gigs now, and I&#039;m sure your blogs will continue to thrive without my contributions. For the record, however, I&#039;m still interested.- I don&#039;t believe letting people know that I&#039;ve written something constitutes as begging for attention. If it does, you might want to look at the multiple emails I get from AdAge each day that do the exact same thing. Twitter is opt in. Facebook is opt in. Email is opt in. Easy to turn the channel if it bothers you.- I would argue that even a cursory review of my work would indicate that I am far from humorless, and in fact generally include a great deal of humor in my work. Additionally, I am by no means a social media &quot;guru&quot;, and certainly do not proclaim or advertise as such. Anyone who says they have something as fast moving and dynamic as social media figured out, by definition does not.- Because I have been in marketing for 20 years, and digital marketing for nearly 15, I very much do NOT believe that social media is all powerful. In fact, I&#039;m genuinely delighted that you and I are on precisely the same page with regard to social media&#039;s limitations as a marketing outreach tactic. To me, social media&#039;s highest calling is as a customer loyalty and retention mechanism, not as a customer acquisition mechanism. My post about the difference between &quot;social media&quot; and &quot;social media marketing&quot; can be found here. http://www.convinceandconvert.com/integrated-marketing-and-media/when-a-verb-became-a-noun-the-conflicting-faces-of-social-media/My post about the fact that we all need to &quot;Stop Swooning Over Social Media&quot; is here http://www.convinceandconvert.com/integrated-marketing-and-media/stop-swooning-over-social-media/While I do indeed work with agencies and corporations on their social media (and email) strategy, I am by no means a mindless cheerleader, and I&#039;d hope that a review of any of my posts beyond the one upon which you commented would indicate that clearly.Again, thanks for making the effort to comment. I sincerely hope you&#039;ll return again under friendlier circumstances, as all perspectives are valued and welcomed here - and that&#039;s why social media kicks ass. ;)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@beatriz @greg @jeff &#8211; Thanks for your support and for taking the time to read and comment.</p><p>@Ken &#8211; Sincere thanks for responding. Although we clearly disagree on this one, I really appreciate you leaving a comment.</p><p>Just a couple of points of clarification.</p><p>- It did not take me a month to notice the column. I read the blog the minute it was published, as I have all AdAge blogs on an RSS feed. It took me one hour after I read it to write it. I then held the post for 6 weeks to make sure I still felt the same way. I did, so I published it.</p><p>- I agree that it was satirical to some degree. However, as commenters above and others on Twitter have mentioned, it was not wholly interpreted that way. Probably not the most objective audience i recognize, but clearly if it was entirely satirical it was unsuccessful in that conveyance.</p><p>- I did not say, nor do I believe, that AdAge does a poor job covering social media or digital marketing. If it did, I would not subscribe to the RSS feeds. I do feel AdAge (and it was not alone by any stretch of the imagination) missed the boat at the dawn of the digital marketing age (I was working as an Internet consultant in 1994, and have been a reader since 1988). My opinion is that AdAge (perhaps rightly) is taking a largely wait and see approach to social media as a discipline (if it can be called that &#8211; perhaps not). And while many individual items about social media have made AdAge and continue to, I don&#8217;t feel it&#8217;s appropriate for you or any other major writer to slam a fast moving, emerging marketing discipline &#8211; for laughs or otherwise.</p><p>- I&#8217;m not sure how disclosing that I&#8217;ve offered to write blog posts for AdAge is relevant. I never said nobody should read AdAge. I said that in my opinion your column was baseless and childish. But in the interest of disclosure, I&#8217;m happy to report that I called and emailed you several times about writing for your AdAge Small Agency blog. You apparently did not and do not have an interest in me doing so, which is fine. I&#8217;ve got several other writing gigs now, and I&#8217;m sure your blogs will continue to thrive without my contributions. For the record, however, I&#8217;m still interested.</p><p>- I don&#8217;t believe letting people know that I&#8217;ve written something constitutes as begging for attention. If it does, you might want to look at the multiple emails I get from AdAge each day that do the exact same thing. Twitter is opt in. Facebook is opt in. Email is opt in. Easy to turn the channel if it bothers you.</p><p>- I would argue that even a cursory review of my work would indicate that I am far from humorless, and in fact generally include a great deal of humor in my work. Additionally, I am by no means a social media &#8220;guru&#8221;, and certainly do not proclaim or advertise as such. Anyone who says they have something as fast moving and dynamic as social media figured out, by definition does not.</p><p>- Because I have been in marketing for 20 years, and digital marketing for nearly 15, I very much do NOT believe that social media is all powerful. In fact, I&#8217;m genuinely delighted that you and I are on precisely the same page with regard to social media&#8217;s limitations as a marketing outreach tactic. To me, social media&#8217;s highest calling is as a customer loyalty and retention mechanism, not as a customer acquisition mechanism. My post about the difference between &#8220;social media&#8221; and &#8220;social media marketing&#8221; can be found here. <a
href="http://www.convinceandconvert.com/integrated-marketing-and-media/when-a-verb-became-a-noun-the-conflicting-faces-of-social-media/" rel="nofollow">http://www.convinceandconvert.com/integrated-marketing-and-media/when-a-verb-became-a-noun-the-conflicting-faces-of-social-media/</a></p><p>My post about the fact that we all need to &#8220;Stop Swooning Over Social Media&#8221; is here <a
href="http://www.convinceandconvert.com/integrated-marketing-and-media/stop-swooning-over-social-media/" rel="nofollow">http://www.convinceandconvert.com/integrated-marketing-and-media/stop-swooning-over-social-media/</a></p><p>While I do indeed work with agencies and corporations on their social media (and email) strategy, I am by no means a mindless cheerleader, and I&#8217;d hope that a review of any of my posts beyond the one upon which you commented would indicate that clearly.</p><p>Again, thanks for making the effort to comment. I sincerely hope you&#8217;ll return again under friendlier circumstances, as all perspectives are valued and welcomed here &#8211; and that&#8217;s why social media kicks ass. <img
src='http://www.convinceandconvert.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ken Wheaton</title><link>http://www.convinceandconvert.com/social-media-marketing/social-media-blindness/comment-page-1/#comment-1102</link> <dc:creator>Ken Wheaton</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 03:40:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.convinceandconvert.com/?p=336#comment-1102</guid> <description>Blindness, right?
Here&#039;s some things you&#039;re readers might be interested in seeing:
1) It took you a whole month to notice the column
2) Even Stevie Wonder could see that the column was a satire
3) Two tweets just today from one of many Ad Age feeds: http://tinyurl.com/ba9x8u and http://tinyurl.com/cagnx7
4) http://adage.com/digital
5) And, finally, how about the full disclosure that you, someone who stands to make money off of convincing clients that social media will cure all their marketing ills, approached us repeatedly last year to blog for us?Here&#039;s a clue: Pretty much anyone working in marketing and writing about it knows that social media is a tool that, like a thirty-second spot, is good at doing some things, not so good at others. It&#039;s good at connecting people, following consumer response. It&#039;s NOT good, for the most part, at mass-scale product launches.This is about the fifth time I&#039;ve come here today to counter your utterly ridiculous and over the top post, but I kept deleting my comment because ... well, why bother? Then I thought that might be a little condescending on my part, not to treat you like an equal. Besides, you keep trying to drive traffic to it as if begging for someone to notice.So I noticed the post. I also noticed that it exactly proved my point about the type of  humorless, social-media &#039;gurus&#039; out there trying to &quot;convince and convert&quot; everyone to the belief that there&#039;s nothing social media can&#039;t do.&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Ken Wheaton’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://adage.com/digitalnext/post.php?article_id=134175&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Saving the World, One Tweetup at a Time&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blindness, right?<br
/> Here&#8217;s some things you&#8217;re readers might be interested in seeing:<br
/> 1) It took you a whole month to notice the column<br
/> 2) Even Stevie Wonder could see that the column was a satire<br
/> 3) Two tweets just today from one of many Ad Age feeds: <a
href="http://tinyurl.com/ba9x8u" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/ba9&#215;8u</a> and <a
href="http://tinyurl.com/cagnx7" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/cagnx7</a><br
/> 4) <a
href="http://adage.com/digital" rel="nofollow">http://adage.com/digital</a><br
/> 5) And, finally, how about the full disclosure that you, someone who stands to make money off of convincing clients that social media will cure all their marketing ills, approached us repeatedly last year to blog for us?</p><p>Here&#8217;s a clue: Pretty much anyone working in marketing and writing about it knows that social media is a tool that, like a thirty-second spot, is good at doing some things, not so good at others. It&#8217;s good at connecting people, following consumer response. It&#8217;s NOT good, for the most part, at mass-scale product launches.</p><p>This is about the fifth time I&#8217;ve come here today to counter your utterly ridiculous and over the top post, but I kept deleting my comment because &#8230; well, why bother? Then I thought that might be a little condescending on my part, not to treat you like an equal. Besides, you keep trying to drive traffic to it as if begging for someone to notice.</p><p>So I noticed the post. I also noticed that it exactly proved my point about the type of  humorless, social-media &#8216;gurus&#8217; out there trying to &#8220;convince and convert&#8221; everyone to the belief that there&#8217;s nothing social media can&#8217;t do.</p><p><abbr><em>Ken Wheaton’s last blog post..<a
href="http://adage.com/digitalnext/post.php?article_id=134175" rel="nofollow">Saving the World, One Tweetup at a Time</a></em></abbr></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michael Barber</title><link>http://www.convinceandconvert.com/social-media-marketing/social-media-blindness/comment-page-1/#comment-13650</link> <dc:creator>Michael Barber</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 01:23:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.convinceandconvert.com/?p=336#comment-13650</guid> <description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Yeah @jaybaer just (not surprisingly) schooled AdAge http://bit.ly/1AFW.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span
class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span
class="topsy_twitter_username"><span
class="topsy_trackback_content">Yeah @jaybaer just (not surprisingly) schooled AdAge <a
href="http://bit.ly/1AFW" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/1AFW</a>.</span></span></span></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jeff</title><link>http://www.convinceandconvert.com/social-media-marketing/social-media-blindness/comment-page-1/#comment-1101</link> <dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:48:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.convinceandconvert.com/?p=336#comment-1101</guid> <description>Anyone who invokes troglodyte is an asshole.  Furthermore, there are people who take the time to educate themselves and understand the impact of marketing trends and those who fear change.  Wheaton is obviously from the old school and will have his lunch summarily eaten by the new guard who &#039;get it&#039;.  AdAge as much of the traditional advertising genre will soon find themselves in the past tense.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who invokes troglodyte is an asshole.  Furthermore, there are people who take the time to educate themselves and understand the impact of marketing trends and those who fear change.  Wheaton is obviously from the old school and will have his lunch summarily eaten by the new guard who &#8216;get it&#8217;.  AdAge as much of the traditional advertising genre will soon find themselves in the past tense.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Greg Linnemanstons</title><link>http://www.convinceandconvert.com/social-media-marketing/social-media-blindness/comment-page-1/#comment-1099</link> <dc:creator>Greg Linnemanstons</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:51:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.convinceandconvert.com/?p=336#comment-1099</guid> <description>Good call! I think what you&#039;re seeing is fear manifested as arrogance. I&#039;m a small agency owner, and I understand the fear of the unknown vividly! We&#039;re moving aggressively into SM as a new frontier that has incredible promise to us, but selling that to clients is another story! So it&#039;s no surprise that Wheaton if furiously Twittering. He&#039;s racing to catch up with something he knows he doesn&#039;t understand completely, and that&#039;s a damn uncomfortable place to be.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good call! I think what you&#8217;re seeing is fear manifested as arrogance. I&#8217;m a small agency owner, and I understand the fear of the unknown vividly! We&#8217;re moving aggressively into SM as a new frontier that has incredible promise to us, but selling that to clients is another story! So it&#8217;s no surprise that Wheaton if furiously Twittering. He&#8217;s racing to catch up with something he knows he doesn&#8217;t understand completely, and that&#8217;s a damn uncomfortable place to be.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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