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How to Go From Collecting Fans to Social That Works

Authors: Jay Baer Martin Jones
Posted Under: Social Pros Podcast
Hosted By
Jay Baer

Daniel Lemin

Convince & Convert
Jay Baer

Hannah Tooker

Jay Baer

Leanna Pham

Convince & Convert
About Social Pros Podcast:

Social Pros is one of the longest-running marketing podcasts in existence (10 YEARS and counting), and was recently recognized as the #1 Audio/Podcast Series by the Content Marketing Awards.

Our purpose? Making sure that we speak to real people doing real work in social media.

Listeners get inside stories and behind-the-scenes secrets about how teams at companies like Google, Reddit, Glossier, Zillow, Lyft, Marvel, and dozens more, staff, operate, and measure their social media programs.  With 600+ episodes, the Social Pros Podcast brings the humanity of social media to the forefront, while providing incredibly useful marketing strategies that listeners can immediately implement.

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The Social Pros podcast has quickly become a favorite in my feed! I'm consistently impressed by the engaging conversations, insightful content, and actionable ideas. I truly learn something every time I listen!

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This is absolutely an awesome listen for anyone in communications or social media!!


This podcast has become one of my staple weekly podcasts for learning about marketing! Love the conversations that they have and it's always enjoyable and educational!


Love the podcast - informative, in depth and spot on for any business size.


Martin Jones, Senior Marketing Manager for Cox Communications, joins the Social Pros Podcast to discuss the evolution of their social presence and why actionable content is more important than one million likes on Facebook.

Martin Jones - InstagramMillions and Billions of… Something?

It’s accepted as fact that your reach and impact on social is directly related to the numbers of views, likes, fans, followers, retweets, and plays your posts receive.
Well… not really.
With 18 years of experience at Cox Communications, Martin heads a team that oversees the evolution, placement, and evaluation of social that appeals to several different verticals.
From residential services to schools to hospitals to sports stadiums, Cox has many different consumers that are all looking for different things at different times in different places. On the surface, their millions of followers would give you the impression of a robust social plan that works. But that is not the whole story.
Martin saw through this false front and realized the age-old way of measuring success on social was not helping them to engage with their customers. Through some tough scrutiny and willingness to confront the status quo, he rebuilt the brand’s approach to social and has seen traffic double and a sharp rise in return rates as customers begin to engage with actionable content.

In This Episode

  • Why a million Facebook followers doesn’t mean instant conversions or customer relationships
  • How finding content for each vertical leads to streams that double traffic
  • Why reliable reach means tuning out historical views of social media
  • How focusing on specific measurements of individual tactics instead of a general social ROI leads to more impactful refinements
  • Why vanity metrics are out and social is leading marketers back to basics


Quotes From This Episode

“We started looking long term and saying a year from now, two years from now or three years from now, what’s going to matter to us?” —@martinjonesaz

“If we’re going to put the time and resources into this, we really need to make sure that we’re getting to people, that we’re engaging with them, that we’re having conversations with them and that we can activate them.” —@martinjonesaz

“As marketers, we have a tendency to sit in a room with other marketers and our teams and think that we know exactly what our audience wants.” —@martinjonesaz
“Asking for an ROI on social media is like asking for an ROI on a billboard. It’s very difficult to get an overall picture.” —@martinjonesaz
“I know it’s interesting, but if people can’t use it for anything, what good is that?” —@martinjonesaz
“It’s reach. It’s impressions. It’s context. It’s leads. It’s how many people do we activate and actually get to go on beyond the content and actually convert.” —@martinjonesaz


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