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Why Critics of Klout Are Missing the Big Picture

Hypnotist Why Critics of Klout Are Missing the Big PictureOther than signing book deals, the favorite sport of the social media punditry these days seems to be bashing Klout.

The pugilists are plentiful, and appear to be trying to win a merit badge for dismissiveness. The most recent example was from B2B social media thinker Paul Gillin who wrote a post unveiling the flaws in Klout’s ranking scheme. Paul Gillin is a smart, experienced guy (and I like his book) and he raised some valid points about how participatory breadth (having an account on a LOT of social networks) can increase Klout score – perhaps disproportionately. 

Gillin is sharp enough to see the underlying challenge of trying to attach a number to something as amorphous as online influence, and point it out to his readers. In fairness, Klout sees that challenge too, and has in my estimation always been very open to discussing it. I’ve seen Klout engage with a large number of bloggers and talking heads openly and honestly (without of course revealing the algorithmic secret sauce).

But most social media types aren’t Paul Gillin. Instead, they object to the very notion and existence of Klout. “How dare a company try to put a number on influence!” they shout. “It’s a bastardization! An impossibility! A farce!”

Offline Influence Doesn’t Have an Algorithm

Their slam on Klout is typically rooted in the fact that Klout doesn’t account for people’s offline influence (or even digital influence that isn’t expressed in social media). As Gillin pointed out, the fact that his own Klout score is markedly higher than Marc Andreessen’s (founder of Netscape) means Klout isn’t the “standard of influence” its tagline professes it to be. As a side note, if Klout just changed their tagline from “the standard of influence” to the more accurate “the standard of audience” it would take the tea kettle off the burner for a lot of people. Side note #2: it’s a bit of a straw man argument too, since Andreessen appears to have tweeted twice, ever.

But the reality is that Klout can only measure data points, and there’s no mathematical formula that says “give extra credit if the dude invented Netscape.” And guess what? You know who else doesn’t use offline factors in their scoring mechanism (because it’s impossible)? Google, which “ranks” Web pages. Facebook, which “ranks” status updates via EdgeRank. And Twitter, which “ranks” tweets to determine trending topics.

While we’re on the topic of crimes against math, let’s examine Nielsen ratings, which are used to set prices for billions of dollars of television advertising in this country. The research I did for The NOW Revolution found that in 2009 there were 1,147,910 households with a TV in metropolitan Charlotte. Number of Nielsen households among them? 619. That’s not math, that’s folly. Yet we’re not writing blog posts about Nielsen being an abomination.

How about Compete.com or Quantcast.com? We routinely quote website traffic figures from these services, despite the fact that site owners often say discrepancies are very large indeed.

My point, however, is not that Klout gets a free pass because we’ve willingly accepted other scoring mechanisms that have shortcomings. But I do find it interesting that reaction to Klout is so visceral, and that is of course because what it purports to measure is by definition personal. If CSI: Provo (or whatever city is next) gets a better rating than Law & Order: Illegal Left Turn you’ll likely do no more than shrug your shoulders. But realize that your Klout score is unexpectedly high or low, and you instantly go supernova because it’s not measuring Hollywood’s increasingly feeble attempt to entertain us en mass, it’s ostensibly measuring some dimension of YOU.

Do I wish Klout was more accurate and had fewer holes and could somehow magically incorporate all dimensions of our life into an airtight formula? Yes. I also wish everyone had a job, and enough to eat, and that tequila was rightly viewed as the most interesting of all spirits, instead of as a dorm room disaster. But we can’t have everything.

Influence Measures Help Business Create Order From Chaos

If Klout gets more sophisticated and more accurate, terrific. Even if it doesn’t, however, the anti-Klout brigade typically leaves out a major point in their argument, which is that companies desperately want this kind of data point. 

The smart money in the next five years in social media is not in the provision of information but rather in the interpretation of it. When every company of consequence has a free and open API, data becomes a commodity. Insights are never commoditized. 

Not only do companies want this kind of influence radar, they also need it. Much (too much, actually) was made of the Peter Shankman/Morton’s Steakhouse stunt a few weeks ago. So much so that people (presumably sober) proclaimed that this was the future of marketing. I don’t believe that to be true, but I do accept the premise that at some level many companies will move to a real-time mindset, scanning the interwebs looking for an opportunity to turn a customer into an advocate, or placate an angry shopper, or offer the just-in-time bon mot that turns a prospect into a sale.

How the hell does that work without something like Klout? It simply doesn’t.

Customers aren’t treated equally, and they never have been. Why do you think billions are invested every year in loyalty programs (tiered treatment) and credit scores (tiered treatment)? Why does Bob the house painter not get a steak from Morton’s delivered at the airport? Companies have to deliver the right type and amount of love to the right person at the right time. Especially now, when every customer is a potential reporter. You think Southwest Airlines would have liked a data feed that automatically appended Klout scores to passenger manifests before they kicked Kevin Smith off a flight? Damn right they would.

The problem is when companies use Klout or something similar blindly. Klout – and any algorithm-derived data point – should be used directionally and for trending purposes, not adhered to slavishly. It’s one piece of information that needs to be combined with (ideally) several others to do social CRM well. After all, the most important thing to know isn’t online “influence” but historical relationship between that customer and your company, and their corresponding lifetime value. I fear not that Klout is so inaccurate as to be baseless. I fear that lazy companies use it as a replacement for sound CRM and database marketing initiatives that bolt together multiple data points for better business intelligence. (Admittedly, doing this well isn’t easy today, although companies like janrain are getting there fast, and certainly SalesForce is eyeing it big-time with their Radian6 acquisition).

Whether the score is ultimately powered by Klout, someone else, or a cabal of competing providers isn’t the issue, and is of little importance. What’s important is to recognize that more and more and more and more of our behaviors (with whom we interact, what we read, even what restaurants we like now that Google has bought Zagat) occur online and often with the social media realm. And if companies are going to succeed in a chaotic, real-time environment, they need some mechanism – even a flawed one – to triage promotion and reaction.  

So yeah, Klout isn’t perfect. But instead of rehashing the same old “look how screwed up their formula is” argument, let’s focus instead on how advanced metrics will enable companies to deliver highly specific interactions with customers based on perceived influence.

(Disclosure: Klout sent me a bunch of free T-shirts we used as a giveaway for our book launch. I have received two or three Klout perks, including a DVD for a truly awful TV show. I am part of a very, very loose advisory group for Klout, for which I am not compensated in any way. Klout has not seen this post, and they did not know it was being written).

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AmyMccTobin 224 pts

What should happen is that another company smarter than Klout should develop a scoring system that makes sense. I deleted my account months ago when Danny Brown exposed the security issues related to a minor's Facebook account information being taken and a Klout account being set up. But that was after months of frustration when I would watch my score swing wildly - 10 points per day. (I actually started taking screen shots daily to try to make sense of it). AND I was being deemed an Expert on all sorts of things I am no expert on.I refuse to accept a flawed ranking system because it's the only one there. If they sort it out and it starts to look like it makes sense, I'll sign up. For now I get my clients on my reputation and my own marketing efforts.

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JayBaer 257 pts moderator

Sean McGinnis I agree with you that manually creating blogger lists and such can be effective - if the agencies and companies in question are willing to do the effort. For reasons too numerous to go into here, they often are not. Where I see Klout (and similar) playing a bigger/better role is in real-time assessing of potential impact, enabling companies to triage response and interactions based on "influence". If you think about Klout (and similar) as a river instead of a lake, I think the opportunities and use case gets a lot more interesting - and important. To me, the Klout Perks stuff is just a revenue waystation. The real play is baking Klout (or similar) into every CRM, email, and related platform. See Linkedin's purchase of Rapportive last week as a mini example of what I foresee.

znmeb 7 pts

"Yet we’re not writing blog posts about Nielsen being an abomination." No, we aren't - *now*. But back when Nielsen was competing for its place in a growing market for television ratings services, the equivalent of blogs, trade magazines, featured articles about how bogus Nielsen's methodologies were - and how bogus the methodologies of Nielsen's competitors were.

"Influence Measures Help Business Create Order From Chaos". No, actually, they don't. What creates order out of chaos is a *discipline* called, for want of a better name, quantitative marketing. You have to know what data to collect, data cleansing technologies, *solid* statistical methodologies, market life cycle models and a whole bunch of other quantitative tools.

MitchNeff 5 pts

Well put. I think that the most important thing that Klout has done is to make people think about HOW they are using social media. Whether the result is good or bad, users are now more concerned with what they are doing in the social sphere.

Some argue that if the algorithm were exposed, Klout would be more credible - I know that prebynski and I have discussed this many times. I don't think most people would understand the algorithm and that people discussing it would only serve to increase gamification. The point is that the "mystery" of Klout makes it more effective and those concerned with their score tend to consider their social habits in that light.

"It’s one piece of information that needs to be combined with (ideally) several others to do social CRM well." It seems that Klout-fever is easy to catch as it gives an already over-loaded marketer a short-cut of sorts. If I had a magic service that let me put in a keyword and gave me the top influencers in the world on the topic, then I would use the hell out of it... the problem is that Klout, like the people that created it's algorithm, is not perfect. But many marketers feel it is the best thing available for the time they have to dedicate to influencer identification. Let me put it this way - I would be surprised to find many Radian 6 shops using Klout for influencer identification...

(Disclosure: I have interviewed Joe Fernandez of Klout for my own blog and received a few low dollar "Klout Rewards" and other swag like t-shirts and stickers from the company)

Twel5 5 pts

Well said, Jay. Complaining about the Klout scoring system is like floating in the ocean and complaining that your life jacket is too snug.

Klout is not perfect but companies and agencies are desperate for a number like this. We were so desperate and so intrigued by the idea that Klout was able to secure key partnerships that have insured its rise, at least for the time-being. I wrote about that in my own blog. Check out my Klout article if you'd like. It's older now and a lot has changed since July but some of my points still hold water. http://timpwelsh.com/2011/07/06/why-klout-will-be-huge/

kcclaveria 5 pts

Klout's algorithm isn't perfect, that's for sure. But unless a better system comes along, businesses have no choice but to accept it as the standard of influence (or of audience).

Another way Klout can lose its relevance right now is if companies are able to better tie in CRM with their social media efforts. That will take some time, so for the time being, Klout is a good short cut.

pederhedeby 5 pts

kcclaveria Great summary that puts everything in perspective. "Quicker to take the train before it was the opportunity to fly, than to still go by horse and wagon and complain that the train is not as fast as IF you could fly."

DanOnBranding 6 pts

Klout's not perfect and there might even be some kinks to work out so that people don't "game" the system, but is it that bad and wildly inaccurate? No. I love it when people say broad things like, "Connect with the influencers of your industry." OK, how do you suppose we do that if we don't have a decent starting place to measure what an influencer looks like? Klout begins to give us that sense. PeerIndex begins to give us that. I think it's silly to base too much on one score of anything, but when we can pick away at the imperfections of the tools we have without identifying strong replacements, I believe we're doing ourselves more harm than good. Frankly, if Klout sucks so bad, find me or build me something better so I can use that. Until then, I'll be integrating it into how I measure influence among other things and be on the lookout for either its continued evolution or the technology that's a step up from it.

gerardmclean 5 pts

So, imagine a world where brands start calculating the damages based on your Klout score. The higher the score, the more liability you incur with each RT or mention. Impossible? Unlikely? If I can think it possible, I guarantee some lawyer a whole lot smarter and malicious than I can make it stick with a judge. http://gerardmclean.com/are-your-tweets-retweets-and-blog-posts-complicit.html

roniweiss 6 pts

If you're being slanderous, sure, why not?

I would think that damages would change based on how much effect you have as a publisher.

WilliamWellsIII 5 pts

Great insight JayBaer ! I think "Klout" is one of those things where if you're using social media correctly, your Klout score will reflect that... and although I'm happy that I'm influential on the topics I WANT to be influential on... evidently I'm also influential about "jeopardy", "coupons", and "casinos"... not my strong suit... but I'll view that as me being versatile.

Being involved with the helping business on the Internet since 1993, I've never seen anything that's "perfect"... never will. Klout is one of those. It'll grow... change... be perfected. There will always be "cheaters" who know how to work the system. If they want to spend their time doing that... great. It's fairly easy to tell who they are after a while. I'll keep spending my time helping those who come to me. I'll continue to follow and learn from those I respect... (not necessarily based on "Klout")... and I'll keep providing information in the manner I think is best and I'll let the chips fall where they may... Oh... THERE'S where my "casino" Klout influence comes from!

EugeneFarber 88 pts

I like Klout, I think it's a cool idea. Actually one day I was thinking that it would be cool to have something like it and searched to see if it already existed, and it did.

I have no problem with the fact that it is inaccurate, it's still early and I'm sure they are improving. I had this discussion with Mark Schaefer and I can't really disagree with him when he says it's all about the trend.

What I have a problem with, is people making decisions based on it. Again, I found out about this on Mark's blog and it shocked me. And actually annoyed me a little. For companies to be basing decisions based on someone's Klout score is absolutely ludicrous (especially at this point). First, because not everyone is focused enough on Klout to even create an account, and second because the score can be gamed if you really want to improve it.

I've seen a few comparisons made between Klout score for social media and credit score for your finances. I think that's off. Your credit score is based on your debts, how well you pay them off, and actual tangible financial data. Sure there can be glitches here and there, but I think its far more accurate than Klout score is (or possibly can ever be).

The other problem is that, like you say "what it purports to measure is by definition personal." And not only is it personal, but it is readily available to the public. And they're creating a score for you whether you want one or not. It's not a service you opt in to. For someone to see other personal information about you they have to pay for a background check, to see your Klout score they just have to go online. Again, this wouldn't really be a problem if decisions weren't being based on the score.

roniweiss 6 pts

EugeneFarber What do you mean "create an account"? Klout has accounts for people that are totally unaware of it. It's up to you to link your other social media, though.

EugeneFarber 88 pts

roniweiss True, that was a bad phrasing on my part. It should have read "activate" not "create".

LisaThorell 36 pts

Thanks for writing this, Jay. Your post and commenters as well give a great current barometer reading on the state of Klout. I'd certainly agree that Klout's growing list of marquee name Klout Perk partners make it clear that companies want this number.

I will say I don't share the view that there has been Klout bashing. Rather quite a number of quite comprehensive critiques of Klout's technical issues have been written, for instance, this overview from BlogWorld http://www.blogworld.com/2011/02/24/32-brilliant-bloggers-talk-about-klout/. A few you certainly discussed here, but pls add (1)easily gamed per Adriaan Pelzer's bot experiments, and ,related to this, (2) overweighting of frequency of tweeting over quality of content (itself related to lack of blog content input), as well as (3) the score's continued high volality. These limitations viewed alongside that we have one company with a non-transparent algorithm controlling an individual's published rating of their "social net worth" -- and, well, it just has some people concerned enough to blog (not bash) about the meaning/accuracy of a Klout score.

Most concerning: If you read the online influence studies, there are some which support the view (eg. see Duncan Watts and C. Christakis' work) that influence is about - not big numbers, big networks - but smaller more tightly connected networks of easily influenced people -- not the factors Klout seems to be measuring.

Still, as you point out so well, Klout is a true marketing force to reckon with: It's becoming the online Nielsen rating system for advertisers. (As goonth wrote, in many ways its' best seen as a promotional marketing company). To me, Klout's popularity and growing ad partner array is working fabulously due to the Klout Perks program combined with human psychological factors, namely, the hope, the deep-seated need (and in some cases associated social pressure) to be a Big-I Influential. From a marketing and ad effectiveness perspective (and i say this with no disrespect to Klout whatsoever), the Klout score actually doesn't need to be an accurate measure of online influence at all. It only needs to imply that it is (for instance, in the tagline) to connect High-Klout-Wannabees to advertiser-partners.

EricaGlasier 8 pts

Instead of rehashing the same old "look how screwed up their formula is" argument, let's decide if we want to live in the kind of world/web where people are ranked, assigned a "value" & treated accordingly, whether "accurate" or not. Neil Postman is rolling over in his grave.

http://ericaglasier.com/2011/07/15/open-letter-to-google-team-please-dont-integrate-klout/

freestyleint 5 pts

We live in a world where ranking happens anyway, naive to think otherwise. The whole concept of society rest upon those having some form of social capital - whether that's physical strength, wealth, knowledge or influence. It may not be pretty, and it certainly goes against our romantic notion of humanity but that's the way our world works - particularly in business. It's no surprise that Klout is seen as more useful by businesses then.

I totally agree with you, it is callous and slightly callous to define people by numbers, but this is the business world we work in.

In my mind Klout doesn't really measure true influence, but rather a handy tool for measuring social activity. It's useful for seeing who is more likely to respond to you, sure this is a form of influence but it isnt the whole package. The loudest in the room isn't the most influential, but that doesn't mean Klout is without it's uses.

Sean

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jaybaer
jaybaer

AmyL_Bishop Thanks Amy. Trying to keep it real.

karenswim
karenswim

Thanks farida_h for sharing jaybaer post re klout, very valid points about scoring systems cc jgombita

jeffculliton
jeffculliton

AxiomSound always handy with a good article....my boy! #Dwypad is my oracle for all that is social.

AxiomSound
AxiomSound

jeffculliton And you are my monocle for all that is Banana Republic.

jeffculliton
jeffculliton

AxiomSound I don't know how to take that, so I will take it as a compliment.

AxiomSound
AxiomSound

jeffculliton I was kidding you know...You have a keen eye for fashion.

jeffculliton
jeffculliton

AxiomSound I get it now. You're so nice to me.

AxiomSound
AxiomSound

jeffculliton I'm just jealous because I only shop at OldNavy.

jeffculliton
jeffculliton

AxiomSound but #youwearitwell. That's a good Rod Stewart song. #lookitup

jmarkestijn
jmarkestijn

digitalie volgens mij heeft klout een valide businessmodel. Alleen niet helemaal duidelijk wat de gebruiker er aan heeft

digitalie
digitalie

jmarkestijn Denk dat het voor de gemiddelde gebruiker helemaal niet interessant is. Voor bedrijven misschien wel, zolang ze het niet 1/2

digitalie
digitalie

jmarkestijn als een godsdienst gaan zien, maar inzien dat het ook nog niet perfect is. Je hebt iig kans je influencers te vinden.

pomegranate02
pomegranate02

venessapaech I don't like Klout or PeerIndex either - I'm interested in what it is that you loathe?

thatdrew
thatdrew

jeffnolan bah humbug. you can tweet 32434 links, it's bullshit ;)

jeffnolan
jeffnolan

thatdrew like I said, it does seem to skew to popularity... but that alone doesn't make me discount it.

thatdrew
thatdrew

jeffnolan i got 99 problems, and klout's 98 of em.

jeffnolan
jeffnolan

thatdrew 98.79 me thinks :)

colmcq
colmcq

ast3v3nson bruv, dem boyz is bubblin. Keep it reel aye. peace.

drothamel
drothamel

.JustinWise mike_stelzner the best critique of Klout I have read is by respres http://t.co/0FGNLrX it is a game, created for marketers

EricaGlasier
EricaGlasier

mike_stelzner The big picture is "reducing human value to a number" & whether we want a web like that, not how groovy is Klout's algorithm.

JanetStewartPR
JanetStewartPR

EricaGlasier Good point, Erica.

EricaGlasier
EricaGlasier

JanetStewartPR Thanks. It's like we just have to accept advertisers using this data because it exists. We don't.