The 6 Dangerous Fallacies of Social Media

How do you consistently say exactly what I am thinking?

Thanks for the post, yet again a brilliant post I must add. This blog is great as encouragement and validation for my own endeavors in social media marketing.

Over the last 7 months I’ve certainly walked the walk of social media marketing and this post is as plain and simple as a definition gets.

How do you consistently say exactly what I am thinking?

Thanks for the post, yet again a brilliant post I must add. This blog is great as encouragement and validation for my own endeavors in social media marketing.

Over the last 7 months I’ve certainly walked the walk of social media marketing and this post is as plain and simple as a definition gets.

Thanks very much for the kind words. Those type of comments are why I do it. You are indeed the perfect case study. You’re in an industry (photography) and are a business type (small) where a lot of people would say “social media isn’t for me”. Nothing could be further from the truth, and you’re living proof. Bravo, man. Keep at it.

j

Excellent post and agree on all points, especially the ones about SM being optional, and SM being fast. Working on campaigns for several clients and its been a slow haul, especially for a new brand. But, fortunately there are some pretty sweet tools out there to help me find the right people to engage in conversation.

Jason- you hit it on the head. I am going to share this with my boss! Thank you!

Jason- you hit it on the head. I am going to share this with my boss! Thank you!

Excellent advice on how to make progress and Charlene was spot on as well. Your still trading time for money in the mkt equation

Another nice post, J. From what we’ve seen it’s the combination of precisely these myths that we typically have to battle when guiding brands into social media. Because so much focus has historically been on creation and distribution of content online, companies often mistake social media outlets as simply another, more social repository for this content. Too often we see social media strategies that involve putting photos into Flickr, videos into YouTube or the creation of a Facebook application and then never revisiting the environment to engage with the communities around this content. IMO until these companies get their heads and strategies around social media as customer intimacy model rather than a content distribution channel they will continue to struggle with the medium.

Another nice post, J. From what we’ve seen it’s the combination of precisely these myths that we typically have to battle when guiding brands into social media. Because so much focus has historically been on creation and distribution of content online, companies often mistake social media outlets as simply another, more social repository for this content. Too often we see social media strategies that involve putting photos into Flickr, videos into YouTube or the creation of a Facebook application and then never revisiting the environment to engage with the communities around this content. IMO until these companies get their heads and strategies around social media as customer intimacy model rather than a content distribution channel they will continue to struggle with the medium.

Great list, Jason. I’d add:
1)Social media can increase sales.
2)Social media exposes your privacy
3)Social media resplaces advertising

Thanks Francine. I definitely agree with social media exposes your privacy and social media replaces advertising as fallacies.

I don’t concur that “social media can increase sales” is always false. I believe effective social media can indeed increase sales, especially when those efforts are directed toward current/previous customers. Ultimately, customer loyalty is a huge byproduct of social media, and that loyalty often can translate into sales. Not sales from new customers necessarily, but from those you already have that might have been at risk of defection.

In fact, I believe that ultimately SM will be viewed largely as a customer retention tool, with budgets from those departments and metrics that focus on customer lifetime value and how it’s impacted by social media touches.

Using social media to acquire customers is like using email to acquire customers. Unlikely at best. And, as I tried to communicate in the post, social media acquisition campaigns aren’t really social media at all, IMHO.

Sincere thanks for the comment.

j

Thanks Francine. I definitely agree with social media exposes your privacy and social media replaces advertising as fallacies.

I don’t concur that “social media can increase sales” is always false. I believe effective social media can indeed increase sales, especially when those efforts are directed toward current/previous customers. Ultimately, customer loyalty is a huge byproduct of social media, and that loyalty often can translate into sales. Not sales from new customers necessarily, but from those you already have that might have been at risk of defection.

In fact, I believe that ultimately SM will be viewed largely as a customer retention tool, with budgets from those departments and metrics that focus on customer lifetime value and how it’s impacted by social media touches.

Using social media to acquire customers is like using email to acquire customers. Unlikely at best. And, as I tried to communicate in the post, social media acquisition campaigns aren’t really social media at all, IMHO.

Sincere thanks for the comment.

j

Agreed on all fronts, and would add a tenth fallacy “You can embark on social media like a close-ended campaign.” Marketers are used to thinking in terms of measurable bursts, and it took some doing to get folks thinking about website investment as an ongoing and measurable presence. I imagine social media will go through the same process of moving from one executed campaign to a thoughtful, consistently measured line item investment.

Social media isn’t really marketing. Clearly false, but the fallacy for ‘older people’ is that all this social media stuff is what my kids are doing. When you show them the costs, they begin to understand it’s marketing, but then they wonder why pay you to do it when a 14-year old in their parent’s basement can do it? That’s when you need to put the proposal together like a brief.

And that’s when they realize that it is marketing. But a more patient kind that doesn’t fit the notion for many people that customers are but a click away if only we ask for the order…

Ah, the learning curve.

Social media isn’t really marketing. Clearly false, but the fallacy for ‘older people’ is that all this social media stuff is what my kids are doing. When you show them the costs, they begin to understand it’s marketing, but then they wonder why pay you to do it when a 14-year old in their parent’s basement can do it? That’s when you need to put the proposal together like a brief.

And that’s when they realize that it is marketing. But a more patient kind that doesn’t fit the notion for many people that customers are but a click away if only we ask for the order…

Ah, the learning curve.

Excellent list, and possibly one we should hand out to clients in intial meetings. From a PR angency perspective (I work on the digital team for Porter Novelli), I’d add the myth that social media is a specialist skill. It’s not, it’s a natural extension of what we already do, with a couple of different rules.

Wow – fantastic points. These bullets should be on the walls of all executives who think they understand social media because they have the ‘tools’ to broadcast their message and that their consumers will automatically listen.

Kudos!

Wow – fantastic points. These bullets should be on the walls of all executives who think they understand social media because they have the ‘tools’ to broadcast their message and that their consumers will automatically listen.

Kudos!

I agree with your last comment, Jason – social media isn’t for acquisition. I think it’s about meeting your customers where they’re congregating online and participating in conversations with them. People who aren’t already engaged in your brand aren’t interested in socializing with you online.

I’ve linked to a recent post of mine about Gartner’s recent report that half of social media campaigns will fail. Why? For the reasons you’ve listed here.

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Good post. Thanks.

There are several points here that I like.

“Social media is not about Facebook or MySpace or Flickr or Twitter or blogs or YouTube.” Social media tools and applications are often seen as existing as their most visible persona (their application within a social network) rather than being seen as tools with wider application and use. For example, people talk about using twitter as a business tool rather than thinking about creating a searchable organizational database of collaborative conversations

“Social media results cannot be measured”
If you are not measuring your social media results then there is little point in having a social media strategy. Social media can enable conversations and participation but the real value comes from what we do with those conversations. This is particularly true if your social media strategy is integrated into your entire organization. Everything from supply chain management, product design, customer service, accounting and beyond can be informed through analysing the data collected through your social media strategy.

Very good distinctions between one-way media and social media. I am new to Twitter and Facebook, my two choices for developing my voice and platform as a business writer and consultant. What I have learned so far is what I don’t like: those who use social media to shill their products and services, and those who post trivia.

I agree with you about the primacy of relationship and conversation. I am meeting people and getting into fascinating discussions that are thought-provoking about business, economics, marketing and entrepreneurship. I take those thoughts back to writing and come up with more ideas, that I can share with others. My book (and my work) grows far richer for this dialogue. That is the value to me of Web 2.0 tools.

Moreover, much to my surprise, I was voted one of the Top 50 people to follow on Twitter in an “unofficial” poll. Two of my friends were too. We are all students in a writing program that emphasizes authenticity and voice, not marketing tactics.

Many people commented that the “Top 50″ had more content folks and fewer marketing/PR folks than they expected. This is all to the good. It just reminds us anew that CONTENT IS KING.

Very good distinctions between one-way media and social media. I am new to Twitter and Facebook, my two choices for developing my voice and platform as a business writer and consultant. What I have learned so far is what I don’t like: those who use social media to shill their products and services, and those who post trivia.

I agree with you about the primacy of relationship and conversation. I am meeting people and getting into fascinating discussions that are thought-provoking about business, economics, marketing and entrepreneurship. I take those thoughts back to writing and come up with more ideas, that I can share with others. My book (and my work) grows far richer for this dialogue. That is the value to me of Web 2.0 tools.

Moreover, much to my surprise, I was voted one of the Top 50 people to follow on Twitter in an “unofficial” poll. Two of my friends were too. We are all students in a writing program that emphasizes authenticity and voice, not marketing tactics.

Many people commented that the “Top 50″ had more content folks and fewer marketing/PR folks than they expected. This is all to the good. It just reminds us anew that CONTENT IS KING.

Jason,

This is great stuff – thanks so much for posting. These are exactly the kinds of rundowns that are so valuable when starting a social media effort with a client who is knew to all this “stuff”. There’s a lot of knee-jerk, half-truth information out there about social media and what it can do.

I’m always equating social media more in the business development side of things than marketing. It’s about long term strengthening of true relationships with – wait for it – PEOPLE. We’ll spend plenty of hours on the golf course with our clients and know that it’s doing something (though we can’t always say what), but the more intangible relationships that are separated by a computer screen we somehow tend to value less. I’m so glad you put this out there, and intend to keep spreading the good word.

Thanks.

Amber

Great post and I especially appreciate the viral example and the need for participating with authenticity.

I would add (maybe not a separate item, but incorporated?) that social media is not just for “kids.” I often see social media dismissed by executives because they assume only the 20-and-under crowd is online.

Great post and I especially appreciate the viral example and the need for participating with authenticity.

I would add (maybe not a separate item, but incorporated?) that social media is not just for “kids.” I often see social media dismissed by executives because they assume only the 20-and-under crowd is online.

Great post Jason – here is my addition – and a quibble.

Addition: Social Media (relationships) can be outsourced. They can’t

Quibble: We (MotiveQuest) have social media metrics (brand advocacy via the Online Promoter Score) that have a strong, positive correlation to sales – see case study of work we did with MINI USA here:

http://tinyurl.com/58xm8d

TO’B

Hi Jason.

I would also add that Social Media Lets Others Control Your Brand. Many people fear participation in social media means losing control of your brand because you can’t control what’s being said. In reality, it can be a virtual feedback source to learn about your brand and how others are (not) participating with it. And it can be a strong listening tool to learn what one needs to do to strengthen his brand in areas it may be weak.

Hi Jason.

I would also add that Social Media Lets Others Control Your Brand. Many people fear participation in social media means losing control of your brand because you can’t control what’s being said. In reality, it can be a virtual feedback source to learn about your brand and how others are (not) participating with it. And it can be a strong listening tool to learn what one needs to do to strengthen his brand in areas it may be weak.

Deb and Matt -

Very interesting comments about social media not being for kid. Perhaps because I’m surrounded my marketers most times, I don’t get that feedback often. I suppose if I asked non-marketers or older folks I’d hear that perspective.

Especially if you take the position (as I do) that social media is more about customer retention than customer acquisition, it’s very much NOT for kids or demographically or psychographically slanted at all. It’s for everyone.

Great comments. Thank you for them.

j

Social media = Web 2.0. Web 2.0 is about the tools, social media is about the strategy. To be successful and avoid chasing your tail, you have to start with the strategy and figure out how to use the tools based on what you’re trying to do.

Social media = Web 2.0. Web 2.0 is about the tools, social media is about the strategy. To be successful and avoid chasing your tail, you have to start with the strategy and figure out how to use the tools based on what you’re trying to do.

Kerry –

I absolutely love your comment about social media not being a specialized skill. I agree completely, and that philosophy is fundamental to the consulting I do for ad agencies and PR firms. Current staff members can easily learn how to do digital. Especially social media, but even SEO, PPC, email, etc. If you can write, communicate, and are at least decent with numbers, any of this is doable. Thanks so much for mentioning it.

j

Alasdair -

Great insights on using and measuring social media throughout the enterprise and the supply chain. You should blog on that. It’s fertile ground.

Thanks much for the comment.
j

Alasdair -

Great insights on using and measuring social media throughout the enterprise and the supply chain. You should blog on that. It’s fertile ground.

Thanks much for the comment.
j

Tom -

Really interesting presentation. Thank you for sharing it. Everyone believes that good social media outreach will increase sales. It stands to reason. Just like answering your phone or being nice to customers or any other humanizing factor. But it’s fantastic to see you putting math against it. Bravo.

j

Jamie -

Thanks for the comment. Always great to have clients on the blog. Hi to all the folks at Bailey Gardiner! I totally agree with your point about losing control. You can’t control social media per se at a comment by comment level (and that is a huge theme of Joseph Jaffe, whom I’m interviewing tomorrow in my first Twitter 20 program). But just because you can’t finely craft every word doesn’t mean your whole brand is thrown to the wolves. It can be scary though, and helping companies understand it’s not end of days to comment on a blog is a big part of agencies getting their clients to adopt (and pay for) social media.

See you soon!
j

Jamie -

Thanks for the comment. Always great to have clients on the blog. Hi to all the folks at Bailey Gardiner! I totally agree with your point about losing control. You can’t control social media per se at a comment by comment level (and that is a huge theme of Joseph Jaffe, whom I’m interviewing tomorrow in my first Twitter 20 program). But just because you can’t finely craft every word doesn’t mean your whole brand is thrown to the wolves. It can be scary though, and helping companies understand it’s not end of days to comment on a blog is a big part of agencies getting their clients to adopt (and pay for) social media.

See you soon!
j

jason… preach it.

I basically get this mashed up question from companies wanting to do social media.

We need to get some VIRAL BUZZ 
going so our COMMUNITY INFLUENCERS 
can EVANGELIZE the PRODUCT SEEDING
and create some SOCIAL MEDIA about it.

I disagree, a little bit, with #1 – social media is inexpensive. We can provide excellent support and training at a fraction of the cost an agency would charge. That makes it “inexpensive” – rather than spending millions, companies can spend thousands (or even, just hundreds) to achieve similar results…

The activity needed to maintain a successful social media presence is and should be part of any company’s marketing plan. So, that is not a cost that should only be associated with the social media project.

In the end, a small business can use a blog as their website, and manage it on their own…and they can discipline themselves to use other tools like Facebook and Twitter without ‘wasting time’…and have a much better ROI. Sometimes that ROI is in the people to people connection, and in building a strong network that sends you business in referrals.

So, it is inexpensive. If you know how to do it. The upfront cost of a good social media consultant outlives the project cost. I can tell you, we help our clients achieve results for a fraction of the cost of a PPC campaign, or a website redesign, or a direct mail piece. It’s all in how you manage your time, your network, and your strategy for success.

BTW, Jason, I am in awe of the way you answer everyone personally. I try to do the same….but sometimes discover I missed someone, somewhere. Making that personal connection can be tough…when you’re getting a lot of comments. But, again, it’s worth it, and it doesn’t cost as much as attending a conference on the West coast, paying for a magazine ad, or a TV ad, etc… so, when comparing options, I believe social media is inexpensive.

I disagree, a little bit, with #1 – social media is inexpensive. We can provide excellent support and training at a fraction of the cost an agency would charge. That makes it “inexpensive” – rather than spending millions, companies can spend thousands (or even, just hundreds) to achieve similar results…

The activity needed to maintain a successful social media presence is and should be part of any company’s marketing plan. So, that is not a cost that should only be associated with the social media project.

In the end, a small business can use a blog as their website, and manage it on their own…and they can discipline themselves to use other tools like Facebook and Twitter without ‘wasting time’…and have a much better ROI. Sometimes that ROI is in the people to people connection, and in building a strong network that sends you business in referrals.

So, it is inexpensive. If you know how to do it. The upfront cost of a good social media consultant outlives the project cost. I can tell you, we help our clients achieve results for a fraction of the cost of a PPC campaign, or a website redesign, or a direct mail piece. It’s all in how you manage your time, your network, and your strategy for success.

BTW, Jason, I am in awe of the way you answer everyone personally. I try to do the same….but sometimes discover I missed someone, somewhere. Making that personal connection can be tough…when you’re getting a lot of comments. But, again, it’s worth it, and it doesn’t cost as much as attending a conference on the West coast, paying for a magazine ad, or a TV ad, etc… so, when comparing options, I believe social media is inexpensive.

Excellent post. At my PR agency, we sometimes suffer from the perception that “you’re the web team so you will own all social media relationships”. This approach will never work. These relationships need to live with the people who are closest to the brand and the messages. Social media strategists should help to do just that – build strategy – but I believe execution, especially blogger relations, needs to become part of overall media relations.

Really great post and some super comments!

I might add; Social Media can be managed by a junior marketing person.

We’ve seen a few cases with clients of shuffling off the Social Media responsibilities to junior (ie.e young) PR and marketing types with little experience. On the upside it gives a junior a chance to shine. The downside is that this signals the C-suite and senior management don’t take Social Media seriously, and that can lead to some issues later on.

While it’s nice to get the work fixing these issues, it’s more productive for the client when we’re helping them grow.

To Francine on saying “social media can’t help sales grow” I’d argue that one. We have several clients who’ve measurably seen between 4% and 12% growth in sales attributable to Social Media. It’s all about the process and how you do it.

Hey Jason,

What a terrific post. Really clear. Here’s one I would add:
Social media is for big corporations and tech companies.

Maybe even add:
Social media is a fad.

We have seen the power of social media in the small ways our clients have allowed us to use it and they are neither big corporations or tech companies.
And I don’t believe social media is going to go away. The tools may change but the desire to connect will not.

Hey Jason,

What a terrific post. Really clear. Here’s one I would add:
Social media is for big corporations and tech companies.

Maybe even add:
Social media is a fad.

We have seen the power of social media in the small ways our clients have allowed us to use it and they are neither big corporations or tech companies.
And I don’t believe social media is going to go away. The tools may change but the desire to connect will not.

Love the post and the conversation. Will be passing the link on to my bosses. I wish more people realized that what social media experts (and community managers, evangalists, etc.) do in the community space adds value but that value may not show in the first 3 weeks like they want it to!

Jason:

I bring this up because a lot of my clients are companies completely new to the field and implementing is sometimes hard because “upper management” doesn’t get it. I get put in the position of having to educate them of the need and value. I see social media as first a way to build and strengthen customer relations and secondly a PR/marketing vehicle. You have to have authenticity established with customers or you don’t get the latter. It’s part of the mix, not the end-all.

Jason:

I bring this up because a lot of my clients are companies completely new to the field and implementing is sometimes hard because “upper management” doesn’t get it. I get put in the position of having to educate them of the need and value. I see social media as first a way to build and strengthen customer relations and secondly a PR/marketing vehicle. You have to have authenticity established with customers or you don’t get the latter. It’s part of the mix, not the end-all.

Yvonne -

Interesting point about the expense of social media compared to other digital or traditional marketing tactics. I agree that even with the significant labor involved in legit social media, it can be less expensive than media buy-driven tactics. But, I’m not sure that’s a good comparison. I don’t know that using social media instead of advertising is valid (even though I put forth that construct in the post). I believe social media is much more of a customer retention tool than a customer acquisition tool, and theoretically social media budgets should be coming out of customer service and operations, not marketing.

What do you think?

j

Tyler -

You are completely right. I do a lot of consulting with agencies, and too often the “tech” team gets the social media responsibility. Sometimes that’s appropriate, but ultimately social media is about messaging and relationships. Thus, public relations and even customer service folks are probably best able to make it work, with tactical and vehicle assistance from the Web folks.

Thanks much for the comment.

j

Tyler -

You are completely right. I do a lot of consulting with agencies, and too often the “tech” team gets the social media responsibility. Sometimes that’s appropriate, but ultimately social media is about messaging and relationships. Thus, public relations and even customer service folks are probably best able to make it work, with tactical and vehicle assistance from the Web folks.

Thanks much for the comment.

j

Great post.

I would add, “Social media is tactical.”

It’s not. It should be an important strategic focus. A brand is only a brand when there’s value larger than functional benefits. Otherwise it’s a product with a name.

A Social Media Strategy is an important and efficient way to achieve this objective. It is more likely to reach highly involved consumers, the non involved wouldn’t bother, so the positive impact delivered by the Social Media Strategy among this key cohort will create a larger value proposition for the brand.

Webconomist -

I agree that too often junior professionals get social media responsibility, mostly because they actually have a Facebook profile. And while they are usually pretty comfortable with the medium, they usually aren’t empowered to really wade in to the social media pond and help support brand initiatives.

The good news about having more junior employees working in social media is that they usually have a better feel for the casual, authentic tone that social media demands.

Thanks for the comment,

j

Webconomist -

I agree that too often junior professionals get social media responsibility, mostly because they actually have a Facebook profile. And while they are usually pretty comfortable with the medium, they usually aren’t empowered to really wade in to the social media pond and help support brand initiatives.

The good news about having more junior employees working in social media is that they usually have a better feel for the casual, authentic tone that social media demands.

Thanks for the comment,

j

Indra -

Great comment. I don’t think social media is a fad (clearly). But I do believe the hype around social media is overblown and the faux-mystery surrounding it isn’t helping its adoption. It reminds me a lot of SEO from 5 years ago.

j

James -

Bingo! Social media is by definition strategic. The tactics are what’s making it so confusing and daunting to people.

Thanks as always for your support of the blog and my work. Your comments and pass alongs are very much appreciated.

j

James -

Bingo! Social media is by definition strategic. The tactics are what’s making it so confusing and daunting to people.

Thanks as always for your support of the blog and my work. Your comments and pass alongs are very much appreciated.

j

I used to use that exact picture as my avatar everywhere.

How about Social Media can be done by an agency?

While agencies have a role in setting up a social media effort with their clients and measuring, my experience is that if you don’t have a hand in it yourself it very quickly becomes shallow and one-dimensional. That may also serve a purpose, but it doesn’t give you full value for the money (or time as you rightly say) you spend.

This may be the best post on social media I’ve seen. I have a small, independent, real estate brokerage. There are tremendous social media applications in real estate, but so many don’t “get it”. Granted, there is a lot to “get”. It’s not a Facebook group, it’s not a YouTube video and it’s not how many follow you on Twitter. It’s how you engage. As you said, it’s about humanizing the connection.

Brilliant Post Jason.

I have been at Roost.com now for four month and have had the task of taking the social media aspects of the company by the horns and running with it. It was rough the first month but I kept it going and now it is really working.

Our website and blog traffic are way up and I am not having to explain as much who we are.

I think another thing to be said is social media takes time (and I mean lots of it). There are so many social media outlets that need to be touched that it takes a lot of effort to hit them all on a consistent basis.

Brilliant Post Jason.

I have been at Roost.com now for four month and have had the task of taking the social media aspects of the company by the horns and running with it. It was rough the first month but I kept it going and now it is really working.

Our website and blog traffic are way up and I am not having to explain as much who we are.

I think another thing to be said is social media takes time (and I mean lots of it). There are so many social media outlets that need to be touched that it takes a lot of effort to hit them all on a consistent basis.

Jay -

I’m humbled by your assessment of my post. Especially in real estate where you’re buying the person not the company, I believe effective social media and conversation marketing could be a HUGE competitive advantage.

Thanks again for the comment.

j

Derek -

Thanks very much for the comment. I like the Roost.com site. Very interesting. I see you have email alerts on new properties in the area. Can you RSS feed that?

Good stuff. Keep it rocking.

Thanks again,
j

Excellent post, Jason. I was a little cynical when I read the title, but you’re spot-on here.

Working on the PR agency side, the ‘cheap’ point is a big one to remember – while the tools don’t cost anything, they do take a lot of time to monitor and analyse (in the same way that a comprehensive media monitoring program takes time).

I also like Francine’s ‘privacy’ and ‘advertising’ points. I’m a fan of the ‘social media as an addition’ approach – I like to see it as something that organizations should integrate (appropriately) with their other tactics instead of necessarily replacing them.

Thank you for this excellent post! I’ve just graduated with a degree in PR and never in our course work did we discuss social media even though it probably should have been studied, seeing how important it is becoming in communicating effectively.

As someone who is naive when it comes to social media this is a great source of information for me to understand further what social media really does. Thank you!

I look forward to more similar posts that are simple to understand. I have read many entries across blogs that speak to the audience as if we already know about social media, though many of us are grappling to understand what it really is.

I love this post, wish newbies would read it! You are spot on!

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I love this post, wish newbies would read it! You are spot on!

Dr. Wright
The Wright Place TV show
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http://www.twitter.com/drwright1

Awesome post. You are right on. Thanks for articulating what I so often want to say to people when they proclaim, “Well, most of my customers aren’t online.” Sheesh…yeah right. You had it right when you stated most online ‘stuff’ is left to the tech guys in agencies. Bad move–that’s why agencies are losing marketing dollars to those that specialize in Internet Marketing. Funny, people always say to me, “So you built those web sites by yourself?” And I reply, “I don’t build web sites. I market them.” People tend to think they’re one in the same.

Agree on all counts. I think you could usefully add that Social Media Marketing is not a part-time / spare-time option – those of us who explore it outside the day job are beginning to realise how much time and effort is needed to make it really work for you – I don’t think that is yet fully appreciated.

Agree on all counts. I think you could usefully add that Social Media Marketing is not a part-time / spare-time option – those of us who explore it outside the day job are beginning to realise how much time and effort is needed to make it really work for you – I don’t think that is yet fully appreciated.

I think the best way to communicate point #5 is, “social media isn’t for the lazy.” It isn’t like you can just create a Twitter acount like you’d hang a shingle outside your shop or toss up a webpage with your name, address and phone number circa 1994.

You can get by without it, but if your competitors are doing it, you’re going to get trounced.

Thanks so much for the great article. It gives me hope and energy to keep going. As a small business owner – vocal coaching and healing music composer, building the actual relationships is what I have always enjoyed and what I do best.

I have been thinking that there must be something I don’t know about SM.

Your article provides comfort – just one step at a time, and everything, just like music, works at it’s own rhythm.

Thanks,
Eliana Gilad, Founder,
Voices of Eden
Ancient Healing and Transformational Music
http://www.voicesofeden.com
BLog: http://www.inspirationalmessage.blogspot.com

I have been working with some brilliant folks at FRANK, (areyoufrank.com) and they have move Burns Engineering, a technical, instrument design and manufacturing organization into the realm of Social media. We have taken baby step mostly focused on WEB, Blog, forums in the industry etc. It’s a interesting and fun start. I really appreciate the statement that Social Media is slow… That pace combined with a tech savvy but not necessarily extrovert group of folks, offers an added challenge to instigate engagement and interaction.

It may be slow but we are committed to BEing different than our pears/competitors in the industry and most importantly being in conversation with our customers and fellow Temperature Measurement Experts.

Thanks for the post, the reality check, the encouragement, and energy. We are committed, having fun in the process and listening as loud as we can!

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Direct with important messages. I especially appreciate the comment about SocMed not being fast. A good solid campaign requires months of relationship building. Ultimately brand awareness can become high, but it takes time and most importantly consistency.

You are spot on about companies not engaging in social marketing until they get the rest of their marketing right! If your current marketing program is not customer focused, adding a social marketing component isn’t suddenly going to make it so it is!

You are spot on regarding companies first optimizing their current marketing before engaging in social media marketing. A marketing program that is not customer focused will not suddenly become customer focused simply because you are engaging in on-line dialogues with consumers. Companies need to get the values right, the message right and the right systems to support their customers before entering into a social media marketing program.

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Jason,

Great post with great advise. I’m moderating a panel discussion on social media and government in three weeks and this post will help me prepare.

Thanks, Brian

Point one doesn’t have to be resource intensive. We set up communities with one half time staff member (student) to monitor. You can either throw a lot of people at the job, or set it up properly, once.
And some of these communities have half a million people, and are EXTREMELY active over very passionate topics. The structure is more important than the numbers.

Thanks for this post. It cleared some misconceptions I had.

Jay, not only was that an AWESOME and much-needed post, but that gangsta monkey image… KILLER. Keep up the good work .

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this article rings true and is great backup for when I’m talking to my clients about social media.

cONGRATULATIONS….

I like the difference you do between viral and social media… Engagement in the key

Hi to all marketing passionated

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Ping!
http://neilojwilliams.net/missioncreep/2009/foundinteresting-17-may-to-2-june/

Your Message Thanks for this blog! It put my thinking of social media and marketing on track.
.-= Tyron Devotta´s last blog ..Of Facebook Groups and Speculative Marketing =-.

Thanks a lot for making social media very clear on what it is and what it is not. For 11 years, we never posted pictures of our team on our website. Your ‘humanization’ comment tells me we need to change this asap (among other things).

Great post and great comments all around thus far and this is my nickel.

There is an inside/out model for marketing and sales that I have always found to be far more effective than doing all the “right” things according to marketing and PR and advertising theories. I know people who succeed inspite of themselves; they laugh as they tell me this. Once upon a time, I wondered why but then it became obvious.

Social Networking can be seen as inside/out marketing that can occur and succeed organically.

All the technical aspects aside, a message grounded in Authenticity and Integrity, is read, felt and responded to.

Social Media is as Francisco Rosales of http://SocialMouths.com says it is straight up honesty: it is the consumer’s comeback to decades of one-way messages telling us what to do and what to consume. It is a strong statement of people before brands and represents a step forward into a new form of entrepreneurship.

I am on the same page as this statement and appreciate (most of all) that it affords a space for Straight Up Honesty. As well as diplomacy, peaceful coexistence of different opinions and “listening” with ears or eyes.

Social Media reminds us all constantly that behind EVERY transaction (including this comment) there is a human being

Finally, someone who’s willing to tell it like it is! Social media is hard but necessary work if you want to make it in today’s market. It’s great to finally see the facts written in black and white. Thanks Jay.

Jason,

I am a fan of sharing great resources with others and so I comment to tell you, you are on my Blogroll for how you say what you say need not be replicated by me but simply shared!

Deborah

Great post. Priceless picture with a caption that should read, “Don’t make me busta cap in your Social Media-less body.

One more fallacy: “Social Media can’t possibly support our marketing strategy.” FALSE.

While most organization are trying to embrace and use social media, its success often hinges on what executive will champion it and then assign a senior leader who will embrace social media capabilities, and create a workable plan that integrates with and expands current marketing strategies. Without a strategic marketing focus, you might as well let the chimp pull the trigger.

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Nice article! I am hoping in this tough economy SM will give my company an edge over my competition. I do not see my competitors doing it yet.

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Great post as is your blog. This is my first vist and what a reward! I’ll be back.
.-= Tony Treacy´s last blog ..Think Social Media for Business is a Fad? =-.

Social Media Marketing is highly dangerous to brands and must NOT be embraced at all. Too many cooks spoil the broth! If you are ‘engaging’ in customers who mix business speak along with playful banter and perhaps rude comments, you are making your brand common as muck. Even seeing your brand logo along with potentially harmful comments on a twitter feed, blog, facebook page can tarnish a brand. Seeing customer complaints being posted on twitter is not good. Customer services depts speak to customers one on one without the world watching. Social media, just like the .COM bubble will burst with a catastrophic bang. People who have jumped onto the band wagon and are embracing social media are dancing with danger and damaging their brands. A brand is NOT about engaging with people on twitter. If you inteligently analyse what the MAJORITY of twitter feeds are about – it is merely internet ‘GURUS’ promoting some dodgy eBook via an equally dodgy looking one page sales-letter website. If you then look at twitter inteligently, you will find that millions of people are all talking millions of different things all at the same time – this causes a catastrophic information overload and achieves nothing. Social media does NOT improve productivity or sales at all. If you really look beneath the covers you will find that employee man/ woman hours are utterly wasted on facebook and twitter. Furthermore the ROI of twitter is no where near as high as the ROI of a traditional advertising campaign. This is because in the LONG -TERM (what really matters) – the brand will be damaged beyond repair. Engaging in social media is like making every one of your clients/ customers a brand manager – and when this happens it is a case of too many cooks spoil the broth or in this case – the brand!

I know I am being very controversial about not agreeing with the masses of people that are embracing social media–however, during the .com boom, the wise sage Warren Buffet disagreed with the masses of investment professionals around the world who were jumping on the bandwagon regarding the dot com boom – Warren Buffet never invested even one dime in the tech stocks of the dot com boom and he predicted the crash and it happened. Now, to give you a bit about my background, I have an elite MBA in Finance & Strategy with International Marketing and have worked for numerous Fortune 500 Co., as well as run an advertising agency. This does NOT make me an expert of any sort, but I do have a deep understanding of business and branding and corporate functions. It appears EVERYONE is trying to get something from nothing—this attitude in society caused the .com BUST—where investment bankers and MBAs and private equity firms were throwing money at any .com startup even if they had NO IDEA of HOW or WHEN they would generate revenue. The same attitude caused the current credit crunch crisis—trying to generate money out of nothing—thin air by living on CREDIT and not knowing HOW to pay it back. Similarly, SMM is free and people are trying to make it generate millions—there is a fundamental flaw in this business model that people cannot see. The main problem with the SMM model is the very nature of the fact that it allows everyone to comment on anything and everything—there is no longer any strategy or coherence in the message as you cannot coherently control millions of individuals with millions of opposing views.

SMM can:
1) Disintegrate a strong internal corporate culture by giving individuals too much power. Governments are elected by people to RUN the people and country to prevent ANARCHY! If you give PEOPLE all the power to have a referendum on EVERYTHING then you ruin the country and cause CHAOS. Similarly, if you give CUSTOMERS all the power to dictate what a brand should be, the multiple opposing views will cause brand anarchy and OPENLY annoy and anger people around the world at a rapid pace. Furthermore, it will cause employees to openly oppose internal corporate culture, openly challenge management strategy, cause openly shared silos and rifts and disintegrate corporate culture, which in turn can affect the brands values by affecting customer service, employee morale etc. This goes a LOT deeper than the internet ‘guru’/ work at home mom/ soccer mom mentality. SMM can damage brands beyond repair.

2) SMM is extremely time consuming and generates trickles of revenue compared to traditional main-stream media. SATELLITE, TV, RADIO, MAJOR NEWS/ MAGS, INTERNET ADS—these are the channels that even though are saturated, they have more consistency and enable more control over your message. The SECOND you hand over your brand message to the masses of un-qualified ‘brand specialists’ AKA the public, then you are going to cause chaos, confusion and mayhem. Imagine if the government said tomorrow, we are resigning and would like YOU the people to run the country! IT would end in utter chaos because people look up to LEADERS, but if you have NO BRAND LEADER and just millions of ‘followers’ trying to dictate what a brand should be—it makes millions of leaders, which causes disintegration and damage.

3) RISK! SMM can produce unprecedented amounts of risk to a brand. Not only is there the direct threat from competitors, and dissatisfied customers, but there also is the threat of data protection violations which can cause people to lose trust.

If you REALLY THINK about WHY in the past the peasants WORSHIPED ROYALTY, or in the present day WHY the masses WORSHIP CELEBRITIES—it is because of the perceived POWER! It is because they are JUST OUT OF REACH, it is because they cannot be touched—BUT—the second you remove that perception and you say, hey WE ARE JUST COMMON LIKE YOU—then the POWER goes out of the window… and with it goes the perception of being ELITE—and when that happens no one will want your brand anymore. If ROLEX advertised on the back of milk cartons no one would pay $5000 for it. THE CHANNEL is just as important as the message—and if you ‘advertise’ using SMM you can damage brand reputation.

All this is just the tip of the iceberg—I have written an in-depth thesis about all this backed up with evidence—it is controversial but highly engaging and interesting. Thanks for your comments and I hope this opens up a huge debate because I would love to learn from everyone out there too. Thanks!

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A flash of inspiration has come out of diversity.

I was somewhat challenged by a couple of the young'uns on the Social Media calendar, you know how 20' somethings are doomed to relive mistakes that others made because humans rarely have the ability to learn from history.

Case in point, I was asked what my experience with Twitter 'like' media was and I was somewhat confused by the question, what did they mean? Is there a PHD in twitology that they have? Is there some class out there that I missed? What could they really mean??

As in most confrontational situations I like to put a place holder in my brain and provide a short sufficient answer with the opportunity to address their concerns later.

This morning it came to me and I was wondering if there are any white papers, or people that have concisely documented the history of what today is called Social media.

My epiphany;
I began my life in Social Media in 1984 when I purchased my first computer, a commodore 64 with a 300 bps modem and logged on to Fido and other BBS systems. There I would chat with folks either online at the same time as me, or leave messages, share experiences, etc.
I progressed though several computers (next was an IBM XT) and several services, Prodigy, AOL, Comuserve, in a never ending quest to learn from others and share what I knew – fast forward (2010) I am sitting in a room full of people that are attempting to explain to me what social media is.

Am I alone thinking that we REALLY should learn from the past?

So, I have used the above 'Social Media' systems, and took up IT as a career in the mid 80's which allowed me to admin Office Vision, Sending messages across 3270 and 5250 terminals to chat, used pagers, the SMS clam shell RIM device, Motorola MicroTac Lite phones, saw the invention of the proto type ‘iPhone’ ‘The Simon (1992), integrated PBX systems with Lotus Notes and other systems to provide rich media and centralize access to communication resources, and on and on.

I am real interested in presenting or obtaining a presentation of the history of the Social Media World stating how everything old is new again, but know I do not know everything and would like to obtain or help create a more concise white paper?

Thoughts?

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I like it, very good
I like it, very good, Particularly in the Authority pages.

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Social Media is hard to get going straight off the bat for a new business. Personally i would wait until i had built a client base before kicking things off.

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